Chapter 894 You Will Have More Friends when You Become Stronger

"You are right. We are aiming to make more money in the end."

"Chen, you can contact Venustech on behalf of Boeing and discuss the possibility of supplying parts to Airbus."

"Take this opportunity to get a good grasp of Venustech's level and see if their Venus 777 can really be developed in the next few years."

"Let's see if the sudden adjustment of so many suppliers for C919 can promote the rapid mass production of C919 or lead to the final failure of this project."

Fabris' proposal made Chen Jumin happy.

It seems that the attitude of the headquarters is indeed changing.

"Fabris, I think the company can consider cooperating with Boeing to see if some of the methods used to deal with Japan's MRJ project can also be used to deal with C919 and Venus 777. At that time, it may be a pleasant surprise."

After Chen Jumin said this, Fabrice also became interested.

He personally contacted Boeing to do a lot of things about Japan's MRJ project.

In March 2008, the same year that China's C919 project started, Japan also started its own MRJ aircraft project.

At first, Japan claimed that it would "make C919 have no market."

Japan's MRJ passenger aircraft adopts a low-mounted tail and wing-mounted engine layout, and is a twin-engine jet regional airliner.

It carries 70-90 passengers and mainly performs medium- and short-range passenger missions. In fact, it is more similar to China's ARJ21 passenger aircraft, and is not at the same level as C919.

In 2008, when Japan began to develop the MRJ project, like the C919 project, it used a large number of advanced composite materials to enhance the strength of the fuselage and reduce its own weight.

Later, it found that it could not play.

Although Toray has strong technical strength in carbon fiber, it is completely no match for American Hershey in the use of aviation composite materials.

The wing design of the 2RJ aircraft encountered a series of difficult-to-overcome problems, and it had to abandon the design of composite materials and use metal materials again.

Due to the repeated changes in the project, the entire fuselage of the aircraft had to be torn down and redesigned.

This involved various parts and overall positioning of the aircraft. The specifications and sizes of the parts had changed and needed to be redesigned and manufactured. All aspects such as airborne equipment and flight control system design needed to be redesigned repeatedly.

So it was not until 2013 that the MRJ aircraft was assembled, and this was still a static test aircraft without flight capability.

Then the second prototype has been dragged on and has not been produced until now.

Although MRJ has received hundreds of orders from China,

According to Mitsubishi Heavy Industries' plan, MRJ passenger aircraft are divided into two sub-series, MRJ-70 and MRJ-90, and the numbers behind correspond to the number of seats, that is, 70 seats and 90 seats.

The ultimate goal of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries is to enter the global jet regional aircraft market through the MRJ project, especially the developed countries market, and strive to compete with Embraer and Bombardier.

Both of them were giants in regional aircraft at the time, monopolizing most of the global regional aircraft market.

According to Mitsubishi Heavy Industries' original plan, the MRJ passenger aircraft should have its first flight around 2012 and enter commercial operation before 2015. The result is that the ideal is full, but the reality is very skinny.

In fact, Airbus and Boeing have already thought about what problems they are going to use to block the MRJ passenger aircraft when it starts airworthiness certification in the United States and Europe in the future.

So let alone the various problems now, even if all these problems are solved, MRJ is destined to have no future.

It's a pity that the Japanese side has never recognized this problem.

"I will try to communicate with Boeing to see if we can discuss cooperation again."

"Although we are competitors, our interests are the same in suppressing new forces."

After Fabris communicated with Chen Jumin, he really contacted Boeing.

However, the final situation is definitely not as good as they thought.

Of course, these are definitely later.

After all, no one knows the final situation of C919 and Venus 777.

As for AVIC, they immediately felt the changes.

"Mr. Zhao, Boeing and Airbus have both expressed their intention to start the expansion proposal of the Tianjin factory in the past few days."

"This move is very interesting."

After the meeting with Zhao Tianling, Wan Jinniu couldn't help but mention the various major moves in the aerospace industry recently.

As the two largest commercial aircraft companies in the world, Boeing and Airbus almost monopolize the world's major passenger aircraft market.

Most of their aircraft assembly is arranged in their own country.

The final assembly factory invested in Huaxia before actually had a very low production efficiency, and its symbolic significance was stronger.

Now, the two companies proposed to expand the factory in China at about the same time, put more passenger aircraft assembly business in China's factory, and even put some of the seat assembly business of passenger aircraft sold overseas in China.

This change is obviously a bit abnormal.

However, combined with the developments in China's aviation industry, Zhao Tianling did not find it strange at all.

"Nanshan Engine officially announced that it has mastered the technology of two aircraft engines, NS44 and NS22, which are used by C919 and Venus 777 respectively."

"This means that we in China will soon have our own passenger aircraft in the next few years."

"People from Boeing and Airbus have naturally paid attention to this information."

"For them, this news is definitely bad news, which is a situation they don't want to see."

"If a general company says that it has mastered advanced aircraft engine technology and wants to quickly launch passenger aircraft in the future, then Airbus and Boeing will definitely have various ways to make your passenger aircraft unable to enter mass production."

"But When it comes to Venusstar Technology, the situation is different. "

"In order to suppress Venusstar Technology, the United States has used all possible means, but Venusstar Technology is getting stronger day by day."

"In this case, in order to deal with future threats, Boeing and Airbus need to consider what more appropriate solutions to deal with."

After Zhao Tianling said this, Wan Jinniu couldn't help but say, "That is to say, this time Airbus and Boeing simultaneously expanded the production capacity of the Huaxia factory, in fact, they are showing goodwill to us, hoping to continue to cooperate with us?"

Wan Jinniu also personally witnessed the various twists and turns from the negotiation to the production of the Boeing Jincheng factory and the Airbus Jincheng factory.

It can be said that the establishment of these two factories is more of a huge market exchanged by China, not that the other party is really so active to come and invest.

Market for technology, this has a similar purpose to the opening of the automobile market back then.

But whether it is cars or airplanes, the final result tells everyone that the market cannot be exchanged for technology.

At most, some management experience can be learned.

"Of course, after all, it is uncertain when the aircraft from Shanghai Commercial Aircraft Corporation and Venusstar Technology will be put into use twice, so we definitely need to continue to purchase passenger aircraft from Airbus and Boeing."

"The other party is relatively clear about this."

"Even if C919 and Venusstar 777 are mass-produced in the future, they will definitely not be able to meet our market demand 100%. In fact, because of the airworthiness certificate, many flights flying abroad need to continue to use Boeing and Airbus aircraft."

"So Boeing and Airbus are expanding the scale of their factories in China. On the one hand, they are showing goodwill, and on the other hand, they are reluctant to give up the Chinese market."

As the general manager of AVIC, Zhao Tianling has a thorough understanding of these things.

After all, there are so many companies under AVIC, and there are many cases of dealing with foreign countries.

These years of experience and lessons have been learned.

"Although their starting point is for orders, it is actually a good thing for us to expand the production capacity of the joint venture factory and put more parts or assembly business in the Huaxia factory for assembly."

"After all, we don't know whether the products of Venusstar Technology and Shanghai Commercial Aircraft Corporation are really reliable in the end."

Wan Jinniu's view should still be very popular.

After all, many things are full of uncertainty now.

"Yes, invisibly, Venusstar Technology has helped us and given Boeing and Airbus a relatively large stimulus."

"Otherwise, we don't know what price we will have to pay to complete the capacity expansion of the joint venture factory."

Zhao Tianling is still quite satisfied with the current situation. Everything is moving in a good direction.

No matter which company invests, as long as China's aviation industry as a whole is growing and developing, it is a good thing for AVIC.

Considering that the benefits this time were indirectly brought by Venusstar Technology, Zhao Tianling couldn't help but call Cao Yang.

"Mr. Cao, Boeing and Airbus are both planning to expand their joint venture factories in China. You may have to be careful of their new moves."

Zhao Tianling called Cao Yang, and he must have given some reminders from the other side's perspective, so that it would be easier to get closer to each other.

After all, AVIC has actually enjoyed the benefits of industry competition, so it is natural to express their attitude at this time.

"In the short term, we still need to continue to use Boeing and Airbus aircraft. It is also a good thing for China to expand the scale of their joint venture factories in China."

Cao Yang is naturally very clear about the overall situation of China's current civil aviation passenger aircraft field.

It is simply unrealistic to abandon the two giants, Airbus and Boeing, immediately.

Just like you can't say that you will never use US dollars from now on, no matter how much you disagree with the United States.

Therefore, it is necessary to recognize the current situation and proceed from the facts.

"I think you may need to consider whether Boeing and Airbus will take some measures to deal with Venus 777 and C919 in the future in terms of airworthiness certificates and other places."

"With the style of those people, this is entirely possible."

Zhao Tianling's words can be regarded as a reminder to Cao Yang.

After all, facing this situation, Zhao Tianling himself can't think of any particularly good way to solve it.

Boeing and Airbus, especially Boeing, often do things in a disgusting way.

They are not only like this to China's civil aviation passenger aircraft, but also to any passenger aircraft that threatens their interests.

For example, Japan's MRJ project, historically, they did not even allow the first flight test to be arranged in Japan, but needed to be held in the United States.

All the aircraft of the airlines in Japan need to be confirmed by the relevant departments of the United States in Japan before they can take off.

If they do not give you permission to take off on the grounds that the routes are too dense and there is no way to carry out tests, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries will have no way.

In the end, I had to listen to my father.

And then there was nothing else.

MRJ encountered some problems during its first flight in the United States. After continuous improvements, various problems arose during the subsequent airworthiness certificate approval.

In the end, the various R&D expenses on the Japanese side became larger and larger, but the MRJ project had no hope of mass production, so they had to choose to end the project.

Boeing achieved its goal perfectly.

Although Zhao Tianling didn't know about this, he could foresee some of the possible means that Boeing might use.

This is a company that combines referees and athletes. It is the largest export company in the United States and is definitely like the eldest son.

"Thank you, Mr. Zhao, for reminding us that the most effective way to deal with giants like Boeing and Airbus is to make ourselves stronger."

"Only when we become stronger can we have more friends and they will be willing to sit down and negotiate with us."

"Otherwise, they will always want to bully you through various means."

"Let's not talk about other fields. In the field of civil aviation passenger aircraft, the days when Boeing and Airbus stood on China's head and pissed every day are destined to be gone forever."

Cao Yang's words made Zhao Tianling's blood surge.

As the general manager of AVIC, he has suffered too many setbacks.

When he talked with Boeing and Airbus about the cooperation of the joint venture factory, the other party's arrogant attitude was still fresh in his memory.

Unfortunately, he didn't have many means to use except the market card.

Although the market is something that people want very much, the strong market demand also forces you to ask others to supply you with aircraft.

This is a double-edged sword.

"Mr. Cao, we at AVIC will definitely support Shanghai Commercial Aircraft Corporation's C919 project and Venusstar 777 project in all aspects."

"Please let us know as soon as possible if you need our assistance."

"I hope to experience the flights operated by these two aircraft in person in three years."

Zhao Tianling's statement was not a deliberate show of goodwill, but a heartfelt attitude.

Shanghai Commercial Aircraft Corporation and Venusstar Technology have their own passenger aircraft, and China's aviation industry layout is much more complete.

In the future, whether to continue to purchase aircraft from Boeing and Airbus, the initiative is in the hands of China.

The attitudes of those international giants are completely different when China has similar products to choose from and when it does not.

Look at the case of how Bosch's ESP was supplied to BYD in the past, and you will know the attitudes of those giants.

When you can't produce, I will set the price at will. Anyway, you have to buy no matter how much, and the production capacity cannot be guaranteed.

Once you can produce, even if the quality is not very good at the beginning, people's attitudes will change immediately.

Not only do you not need to worry about production capacity, but the price will also become very attractive immediately, in order to make you give up continuing to improve the quality and technical level of the corresponding products.

In terms of civil aviation passenger aircraft, Boeing and Airbus will most likely adopt similar plans.

Once C919 and Venus 777 really start commercial operations in China, the same type of products of Boeing and Airbus will definitely start to reduce prices.

And the scale of their joint venture factories in China will continue to expand.

Normally, these combination punches are almost always effective.

However, this time against Venus Technology, the situation is hard to say.

At least Zhao Tianling is not sure who will win.

For Cao Yang, there is no question of who will win, but he must be the final winner.

In China's civil aviation passenger aircraft market, Nanshan companies must eat the biggest piece of the pie.

When people talk about China's pillar industries, they will not focus on the real estate and automobile industries every day, but can add the aerospace industry.

After ending the call with Zhao Tianling, Cao Yang also held a meeting within the company.

The heads of related companies such as Nanshan Engine and Venusstar Technology attended this meeting.

"It seems that Boeing and Airbus are already taking similar measures to expand their influence in China."

"We need to speed up the related businesses of our Venusstar 777 and C919."

"The more they don't want us to do these projects well, the more we have to do them well."

"Then let these so-called international giants see what the result of suppressing us is."

Cao Yang thinks that the civil aviation passenger aircraft project will definitely be one of the most important projects in Nanshan enterprises in the next few years.

This is a major project that can drive the development of the entire industrial chain and a major project with unlimited prospects.

The most important thing is that if this project is done well, it can promote the rapid development of other aviation projects.

For example, the large transport aircraft project under study, and the large stealth bomber project being studied with AVIC to benchmark B-2, can all benefit from it.

Many parts such as the electric transmission system and landing gear can be used in many projects.

"Mr. Cao, I think the company may need to strengthen the confidentiality education of relevant personnel during this period. Whether it is Boeing or Airbus, or some other people, they must be trying to find out the information of our project."

"They even want to use this information to cause some damage."

Zhao Siyu was the first to stand up and express his opinion.

He used to work in Aerospace Science and Technology and is familiar with various confidentiality actions.

Objectively speaking, the confidentiality arrangement of Venusstar Technology is definitely not as good as that of Aerospace Science and Technology.

Of course, confidentiality has its pros and cons. If you impose too many restrictions in this regard, it will also affect the progress of the project to a certain extent.

But everyone agrees that confidentiality is very important, and it depends on how to grasp the degree.

"That's true. I think Boeing will definitely not watch us launch the two major projects, Venus 777 and C919."

"Now that they haven't found a good way to suppress these two projects, it doesn't mean that they have given up the idea of ​​killing these two projects."

As the general manager of Nanshan Engine, Cheng Tao has a deeper understanding during this period.

Many people are trying to find out about the NS44 and NS22, and even some other undisclosed projects. Many people are trying to find out.

"After the meeting, I will talk to Representative Pan about this and ask him to help ask some people from relevant departments to assist."

Leave professional matters to professionals.

This has always been Cao Yang's point of view.

In terms of confidentiality, the people in the relevant departments behind Pan Jun are definitely the most professional.

So we can make full use of this power.

Anyway, many projects of companies such as Venus Technology are closely related to relevant departments.

They definitely don't want to have leaks.

"This is a good idea. In addition to keeping it secret, I think we may need to take the initiative to cause them some trouble so that they don't have so much energy to deal with us."

As the general manager of Venusstar Technology Group, Pan Jinxing naturally considers the problem from a higher perspective.

In his opinion, blindly passively defending is not the best way.

Properly taking the initiative to attack may make the situation more favorable to oneself.

"It is indeed necessary to find some trouble for Boeing. Do you have any suggestions?"

Cao Yang has always been very active in dealing with Boeing.

Although it is impossible to kill the other party no matter what, just like Boeing cannot kill Venusstar Technology.

But it is worth doing to cause the other party to suffer huge losses and make their life difficult.

"Mr. Cao, Polar Bear has actually been trying to develop its own civil aviation industry."

"Their Il-series and Tu-series passenger aircraft were once world-famous."

"They have been trying to restore their past glory over the years. They are not only redeveloping the PD-14 aircraft engine, but also preparing new passenger aircraft."

"I think some of the company's parts can be considered for sale to Polar Bear."

Dai Hanbiao boldly proposed a plan.

In his opinion, even if C919 and Venus 777 enter mass production in the future, Polar Bear will most likely not purchase passenger aircraft from China.

In this case, we have to think of other ways to make some money from Polar Bear's passenger aircraft industry.

By the way, we can disgust Boeing and Airbus and find them a few more opponents.

In terms of some modern electronic equipment, Polar Bear's technical accumulation is obviously relatively weak.

These problems cannot be solved by relying on old capital alone.

Therefore, it is really feasible for Nanshan companies to cooperate with Polar Bear.

"You can consider giving it a try and contact the other party."

"After all, we also need to find more customers to apply our parts."

Cao Yang agreed to Dai Hanbiao's proposal without hesitation. Then he continued to ask: "Are there any other solutions?"